Am I raising a dumpster diving kid?

I paid for my first year of college on the profits I made from “bottle picking” as a child. 

I grew up on a not very well traveled road out in the country.  Every once in awhile in the summer, we kids would go out with garbage bags and collect the bottles and cans that people had thrown in the ditch. 

Our family didn’t buy much soda or booze so we didn’t have bottles to recycle from home.  I never realized that this was something that “city people” thought was homeless people behavior until I moved to the city myself.

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It’s much the same in my own household today, although we do have milk and cream containers to recycle and mama’s wobbly pop bottles, the profit from which I give to the youngest kid in an effort for him to be aware that recycling not only helps the environment but can provide a little bit of spending money too.

But there’s a few events in the last couple of weeks that have made me wonder if I haven’t taught him too well.  If, in fact, he’s going too far in his frugal ways – descending into the lower depths of frugality by essentially “dumpster diving.”

A couple of weeks ago, I took my son and his friend out to a movie: How to Train a Dragon – which was actually pretty good.  OK, I admit it, I just love listening to Gerard Butler’s voice.  Seriously, if you haven’t seen Dear Frankie, do yourself a favor and watch it.  It’s a 10 kleenex movie for this bawl baby – the XXX fantasy movie for single moms everywhere (and all available on youtube) here.: 

Ahem – back from our commercial break – bear with me, my nose is running…

As we were leaving the theater, my son spotted a 90% full bag of popcorn and cotton candy in one of the aisles.  Much to my horror, he wanted to take it and keep it, and was as excited as if he had found a $10 bill on the floor. 

I don’t know what was going on in my head because I let him keep it – and eat it!  Clearly we’re going to have to have a talk about germs in my family.

Since he’s been taking juice boxes for his lunch, I’ve repeatedly nagged (yes, nagged) the kid to not throw them in the garbage when they’re empty but to put them in the recycling container at school so they can make the profit off them to help build the playground.  (Mini rant here – why should kids/parents have to fund raise to build a playground for children at their school – can’t they buy some used equipment at least?) 

Yesterday when he came home from school, he proceeded to pull about 20 juice box containers out of his backpack. 

“Where did those come from?” I asked.

“Oh I picked some of them up off the ground” he replied.

“All of those?  That’s a lot!”

“And I asked my friends to give me all of their empty juice boxes too.”

Eek!  Where have I gone wrong?

Where is the imaginary line drawn that should not be crossed?  Or is he just exercising his entrepreneurial skills?

In the world that I grew up in, lots of kids picked bottles and we didn’t think we were too good for that.  Today, teenagers and most adults won’t hold onto their bottles and would sooner throw them into the garbage or onto the ground rather than make the effort to take them in. 

Is this just the first step down the slippery slope towards actual dumpster diving for my son? 

Or are society’s perceptions of people doing simple things like picking up bottles to make a few bucks by recycling them wrong? 

Will attitudes like this leave us with a dirtier, poorer, “entitlement” society?

Would you do something like pump gas for a living or work at McDonalds rather than declare bankruptcy or walk away from a mortgage if you couldn’t find a job in your field?  Or are you “too good” for that?

Oh, and we both pick up pennies off the ground too. 

Found money is the best kind.




14 Responses to Am I raising a dumpster diving kid?
  1. Wild Blue Yonder
    May 10, 2010 | 11:33 pm

    Nah, he's normal. Kids like to do that sort of stuff.
    But the popcorn kinda scared me, I know SD didn't want any of that, it was USED popcorn! LOL
    We pick up pennies too. :) )

  2. JacqJolie
    May 11, 2010 | 12:39 am

    I think he hasn't been taught to be germ-o-phobic. I guess cuz I'm not myself. Hard to be finicky when you were raised shoveling manure on a regular basis and playing in the dirt.

    OTOH, we never get sick – not sure if that's part of it. Seems to me that germ-o-phobes get sick a lot.

    He found a penny yesterday outside the gas station – held it up and said "every penny counts!"

    I'm starting to believe that some people are just born money-oriented. Ryan sure isn't like that.

  3. Andrew Hallam
    May 11, 2010 | 10:41 am

    I love your story, and your writing. Your kid and I would get along really well.

    Keep up the great blogging.

    Andrew

    http://www.andrewhallam.com

  4. JacqJolie
    May 11, 2010 | 1:54 pm

    Thanks for the encouraging words Andrew!

    We birds of a feather that think a little off the wall have to stick together. :-)

  5. Yang
    May 11, 2010 | 10:33 pm

    I love it! I think being extremely frugal is a rare quality that's possessed by few kids nowadays. Keep up the good work! :)

  6. JacqJolie
    May 11, 2010 | 11:22 pm

    Hey Yang!
    Yeah, I guess compared to other kids, he seems like a freak. :-)
    That's okay – he's teaching me a thing or two about negotiating. Like wearing people down until they just give in. LOL

  7. Len Penzo
    June 5, 2010 | 12:06 am

    To answer your questions…

    1. I don't think I'd be willing to take the chance that it isn't – for the love of God, you need to conduct an intervention. NOW! :-) LOL
    2A. Picking up bottles to earn cash is noble. 2B. Diving in a dumpster to pick up free juice boxes – eh, not so much. ;-)
    3. If the attitude is due to 2A: No. 2B: Yes.
    4. Absolutely! I would do whatever I had to in order to keep my home in the event of a job loss. Thankfully, early on I lived well below my means for so long that I was able to build a significant amount of savings to withstand a very long period without a job.

    Best,

    Len
    Len Penzo dot Com

  8. JacqJolie
    June 5, 2010 | 5:55 pm

    Thanks for the most excellent comment Len!

    I think I should be documenting this kid's behavior because I think he could be the next J. Paul Getty and it can be a good preface to an autobiography along the lines of "How to be rich."

    He's a rare mix of aggressive in earning and tight fisted. I have a brother like this that became a multi-millionaire in his 30's. He'll be part of my retirement plan. LOL

  9. Kim @Money and Risk
    June 7, 2010 | 3:48 am

    JacqJolie,

    Well the popcorn grossed me out a bit.

    I don't think asking his friends to give him the juice boxes vs. throwing them into the trash is bad. I think teaching him to carry a plastic trash bag to line his backpack would be good for hygiene.

    By the way, I paid part of my way through college by picking up soda cans. If we wanted to go out, my best friend and I had to recycle soda cans at $.05/each for our weekend fun. (Salary from the other jobs were strictly for school.) We ended up starting recycle containers at all the dorms and collecting them.

    Beth was the daughter of a wealthy college president and she learned quite a few new jobs from me. Yes, Beth did pump gas when her parents wouldn't pay for her to stay in Boston during the summer. It paid her rent and expenses. We thought it was fun and a great addition to her resume. Her parents thought I was teaching their daughter wrong values and disliked me.

    I'm never too good for any job. There is pride in a job well done.

  10. Peter StJ
    December 5, 2010 | 2:29 pm

    Regarding the grossed out phase many of the commenters expressed – I don’t understand this attitude: the popcorn was not dumped on the ground, mixed with God knows what dirt, right? It was just the fact that another person opened and used part of it. It is exactly the same as if a co-worker opens a bag of chips and starts eating and all of a sudden realizes that it would be more polite to offer to the other people in the room (at least that is the default behaviour in Europe, I am not sure about North America), would you be grossed out to touch and eat the food he already have touched? Or let’s say pour yourself a glass of milk not being absolutely sure no one has drunk from the bottle (and thus mixing miniatures of his/her saliva with the remaining milk)? I think being overly pre-cautious with the ‘germs’ is not very informed or logical behaviour. From scientific point of view at least. Should one really want to behave sanely in regards of the actual, proven risks for his/her health – one should inform him/herself about the facts, not just rely on the sole disgust.

    The simplest example of those being the cockroach experiment: a dead, absolutely medically safe, sterilized cockroach is dropped in a glass of wine (the subject of the experiment watches the process) and is left there for few seconds, then the cockroach is removed from the glass and the wine is offered for consumption by the subject. Guess what – most grown ups could not make themselves drink the wine, regardless of the fact that they are aware that the cockroach was sterile. The same can be achieved even with a cockroach replica that looks like a real cockroach, people are just revolted. Kids on the other hand have no problem sticking pretty much anything in their mouth.

    This is not to say “go to the dumpster and start stuffing yourself”. This is to say that one should educate himself/herself and educate his/her kids well enough so they can make informed, logical choices and not rely solely on the instinct. In the case described in this post I would consider eating the popcorn as ‘safe’. Never the less I would really be glad if Jacq is well informed on the health risks and makes sure her kid knows when to grab the well good and free bite and when to leave it.

    • Jacqueline
      December 5, 2010 | 3:05 pm

      Hi Richard, no I don’t let my kid grub along in other people’s food ordinarily. ;-) I think I just had an absent-minded mom moment where I forgot – for too long a period of time to say “put that down!” I’m afraid, having grown up on a farm, that I’m not particularly germ-phobic as most people are these days. And I’m blessed with a cast-iron stomach and am abnormally healthy as well.

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