Growing up super-frugal, minimalist and dysfunctional

It’s been a long time since I’ve read John Scalzi’s post Being Poor written about the people of New Orleans who remained trapped after Hurricane Katrina – but it brings back some memories of my childhood and early adulthood. So I thought I’d share my own little list here. We weren’t poor, only abnormally frugal and minimalist before that was cool and I’m grateful that I had no idea what it was like to go hungry or without a place to live when I was growing up. That came later when I was a single mom on my own.

Just as today, we don’t (hopefully) have a “spare the rod, spoil the child” mentality that people of our parent’s generation had, it’s also helpful at times to examine the messages you got about money from your family as much as to examine the messages that society and marketing inundate us with on a daily basis. And at the end of the day, we have to find that balance that’s personally right for us and that level of earning, spending and everything in between that makes us happy. I’ve personally found it harder to let go of the excessive frugality that I grew up with, where someone else may find that they need to stop trying to spend along with the Jones-es. In either case, it requires an examination of what we value and what kind of life we want to have.

I have some regrets about saving to such a degree that I didn’t spend money in ways that would have made my own life much easier but probably only a bit more fun. Yet I think the freedom of financial independence made it worth it too. In hindsight, these things are easy to see – not so much when you’re living it, it seems. So without further ado…

Growing up super-frugal, minimalist and dysfunctional means…

… not even thinking to ask for crap that’s on TV because you know you get your one $10 toy at Christmas and a set of clothes that better last you through all of next year for school.

… not knowing what packaged cereal tastes like because if you didn’t grow it, you didn’t eat it.

… your mom waking up at 5 a.m. to be alone, but only turning the heat from zero to 50 degrees 1/2 hour before the kids have to get up for school.

… five brothers sleeping in 2 beds in a room smaller than your master bedroom is today – and 3 sisters sharing a bed. Crazy is still sleeping in that same 50+ year old bed and feeling guilty for wanting to throw it out and buy a new one.

… having your favorite cat “put to sleep” by being picked up by the tail and slamming its head against a fence post because killing is cheaper than spaying and animals aren’t pets on a farm – they have to catch their food or starve.

… having the biggest bully at school try to give you her hand-me-down clothes so you know that everyone knows you wear the same thing every day and have all year. So please don’t extol the joys of having only one pair of jeans to me.

… having your mom get one christmas gift from your dad in 35 years of marriage – and your sister had to go out and buy it and make him pay for it. Because gifts are meaningless to minimalists.

… thinking ramen would be some kind of exotic delicacy because all you eat is what you’ve grown.

… not eating potatoes for years after you leave home because you had it twice a day, every day, all the years you were growing up.

… having the family dog get “put to sleep” with a sledgehammer to the head because he seemed to be having a seizure – and a trip to the vet might cost $50.

… being embarrassed when you have friends over because your dad pees outside to save money – and you have your own well.

… still feeling your stomach churn when you see people run water without purpose in a sink, because if you did that when you were a kid – well, you learned to never do it again.

… being afraid to leave the door open for more than 2 seconds in winter because “we don’t own shares in the utility company.”

… being afraid to go into a store and buy something when you’ve moved away from home because you’ve never done that.

… being embarrassed when your brother gets yelled at in a restaurant because he picks up a pork chop in his hands to eat it. He’s never been in a restaurant and neither have you. And you never will again until you leave home.

… remembering vividly getting ice cream after church – because it only happened twice in your childhood.

… being amazed that your parents – on the one holiday taken with their kids – managed to drive 3000 miles to visit relatives without either eating out or sleeping in a hotel.

… being grateful that you actually went on a holiday with your parents – because your older siblings never did.

… not knowing what decluttering is or how to do it because your family never actually bought anything TO declutter.

… never having your mom call you after you’ve left home because of the long distance charges.

… knowing that your minimalist mom was buried in the dress she felt frivolous about buying on the one occasion in her life that she begged your minimalist dad to go shopping with her.

But as nihilist kid says – poor is relative. Or poor is your relatives – even when they’re rich, like in my case.

30 Responses to Growing up super-frugal, minimalist and dysfunctional
  1. Karyn
    October 2, 2010 | 4:57 pm

    I can see how you arrived at the point where are you are now given your upbringing.
    Good post!
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    • Jacqueline
      October 2, 2010 | 5:22 pm

      Yup, it’s hard to get those stupid voices out of my head. There’s some benefits to growing up that way too though – hmmm… I’ll have to think of what they are and do a post on that too.

  2. Chubby Bunny
    October 2, 2010 | 9:55 pm

    The one that made me sad was:

    never having your mom call you after you’ve left home because of the long distance charges

    because it’s happened to me. I joined the Army when I was 18 – was the first time I had ever been away from home, and the first time away from my parents. In the 5th week of the 12 week bootcamp, I called home collect, because I was so homesick, and I got greeted by a lecture from my mother on the costs of long distance. I cried all that night.

    • Jacqueline
      October 3, 2010 | 12:43 am

      Hi Chubby, thanks for stopping by and commenting! But sorry to hear that you connected with any of it yourself, those little cuts on your heart take a long time to heal. You know that saying – things are not more important than people? I also subscribe to the saying that money is not more important than people. Ever. Especially when it comes to your kids – which has led to a bit of babying and spoiling on my part, I’m sure – but I’d rather that than the alternative. Not so much material things spoiling (although I’ve done that too!) as trying to be there for them emotionally.

  3. Hazy
    October 3, 2010 | 10:00 pm

    I grew up on a farm as well,so I can relate to at least
    some of the things on your list.
    I remember the hand-me-down clothes and toys,the water
    rationing,and of course the daily dose of potatoes.
    But with us,there wasn’t any extra money available.
    I’m always impressed with how my parents made do with so little.
    Growing up that way certainly did have an impact on my view of money…no doubt about it.

  4. Jacqueline
    October 3, 2010 | 11:09 pm

    Thanks for the comment Hazy! My dad was a money hoarder and still is – so along with the frugal things there was also $200k farm equipment and no debt. There were a lot of good points to it too though and I’m going to do a post on that some time in the near future. You learn how to DIY everything and that’s an attitude to life that can have some very good points.I definitely know I’d win Survivor if I ever went on the show!

  5. FB @ FabulouslyBroke.com
    October 6, 2010 | 5:52 pm

    I loved this post for the raw honesty (some parts made me gasp, like with the pets) and the darker side to minimalism that we tend to forget.

    We have a choice to get rid of and declutter because we actually HAVE stuff to get rid of.

    That’s the real difference to me.

    You actually grew up a lot like BF did, although I daresay his dad never peed outside (couldn’t, they lived in an apartment).

    At any rate, the tone of your experiences are the same, and I’m absolutely in awe of you! :)

    The Girl who is spending time reading your blog archives…
    -FB
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    • Jacqueline
      October 6, 2010 | 6:30 pm

      Thanks FB, I toned it down from my first draft quite a lot after my son read it and cried. :-( So lots of stuff was taken out or really minimized because I wasn’t sure what it showed – by today’s standards, people would think it was child abuse – and I guess it was. Or in reading the really bad stuff that I took out, would they even get the underlying point that it was abuse for the sake of saving money? And saving money for NOTHING but to have a big bank account. I don’t know. What I basically wanted to say though is this – you can really fuck up your kids attitude towards money – one way or the other – by depriving too much OR overspending and getting them used to having everything they want.

      I just want my own kids to know the value of a buck and to know how and where to spend it to make themselves happy.

  6. iamtheworkingpoor
    October 7, 2010 | 3:36 am

    Just found your site, read one post and was amazed. I see some items on the list that remind me of family or stories from family, but not all of them at once!

    • Jacqueline
      October 7, 2010 | 5:52 pm

      Thanks for the comment working poor! Hope you won’t be disappointed in the rest of the site, since I tend to make a bit of fun of myself and my frugal ways sometimes. :-)

  7. Money Funk
    October 7, 2010 | 3:41 pm

    Wow. Putting the pets ‘to sleep’ caught my attention. And I think that my mom went through the same thing with the running sink water because she has a HUGE pet peeve when people run it when not necessary.
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    • Jacqueline
      October 7, 2010 | 5:50 pm

      Hey Funk! You’ll have to cut your mom some slack. :-) We got kicked, hit or yelled at for that. Some of those things that get ingrained into us when we’re kids, we literally have no logic over – just operating out of some kind of PTSD knee jerk reaction.

  8. Nicole
    December 5, 2010 | 2:46 pm

    OMG, this makes me sick to my stomach.

    I may have grown up cringing at running water (or using too much paper towel), but it makes me grateful that no matter how far my parents took frugality, it never involved cruelty. And it sure puts my father’s if it’s yellow let it mellow in perspective.

    I’m so glad that you’ve grown up and turned out so well.
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    • Jacqueline
      December 5, 2010 | 3:16 pm

      Oh, it’s such a long time ago Nicole. So I baby my pets and (sort of) baby my kids – and stay far away from blogs that make me feel bad about spending money… :-P Just can’t read the super-frugal people.

  9. GLD
    December 7, 2010 | 2:59 am

    Are we related? With the exception fo the pets I think we might have shared the same parents! It does take a long time to heal…maybe we never do? And yes, by todays standards it was child abuse. I think what is important is that we remember that our parents did the best they could and that they had probably had their own damage. All we can do is try to be better parents ourselves.

    I am still super frugal but I can not wear second hand clothing. I wore too many faded, stained and worn out garments to ever be able to do that again. I buy very few clothes, and only ever have one pair of shoes at a time, but they have to be new. I can not dress my kids in second hand clothes either. Too much emotional damage to change my ways now. It doesn’t matter what I tell myself or others suggest, I can not/will not, wear someone elses discarded clothes ever again.

    • Jacqueline
      December 7, 2010 | 4:00 am

      Maybe you’re right GLD, maybe we never do get totally free. I know I have older brothers that never have. I like to think that I have come a long way, but know that I still have a long way to go.

      I also like to think that they did what they did because they literally didn’t know any better. It was a different time, place and era (long before Oprah), how can I judge that? Good grief, I remember rolling over bales and stepping on mice for “fun” – how weird would that be today? Somebody would be running a kid to a psychologist if they did that these days. (I’m scared of mice now though.)

      I’m not thrift store phobic (but can totally see how someone else would be). I have lots of clothes and am completely fine with it. Like you though, I buy my kids nice quality stuff, and they have more than enough. I found myself going too far in the other direction and spoiling the oldest. I think I bought him all the toys, all the clothes, and took him all the places I couldn’t have (and put myself in debt at the time to do it too). I’ve become much more balanced as I’ve become older.

      Thank you for not beating me or my parents up for the post, someone just commented that my parents belonged in a mental institution. Well, maybe therapy. But that would have cost money… ;-)

  10. 101 Centavos
    October 20, 2011 | 1:48 pm

    Kind of takes all the idyllic romance out of notion of growing up on the farm, doesn’t it?
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    • Jacqueline
      October 21, 2011 | 2:40 pm

      Yeah, I don’t imagine that people think that picking rocks or stumps for 14 hours a day at 10 years old is what they want for their kids… Or waking up at all hours of the night to check cattle that are giving birth either. A desk job is pretty darn cozy in comparison and I’m grateful that I don’t have to work like that to survive.

      I don’t think my experience was typical of neighboring families though. It’s more like what you would have seen 150 years ago, not just 30-40. But then they weren’t as financially successful either.

  11. dojo
    November 6, 2011 | 8:43 am

    I grew up poor, but still do have things I remember that were good in my family. I can appreciate being smart with your money, but what happened in your family is not smart. As long as you were so affected by all their choices, it means maybe things could have been more relaxed ;)

    It’s a learning journey for us all and the good thing is that, based on our childhood experiences, we can give our kids a better life.
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    • Jacqueline
      November 7, 2011 | 6:09 pm

      Can’t agree more dojo. My m.o. these days is moderation in all things. I just don’t want my kids to have anything to rebel against! :-P

  12. olivia
    January 30, 2012 | 5:13 pm

    Enjoyed your post although the parts about your pets are horrifying; wouldn’t it simply be cheaper to just not own pets? Or drop them off at the shelter? (not sure if they had shelters back then) Although it sounds as if they fed themselves, so the carrying costs were basically zero.

    It sounds as if you have adjusted fairly well. Intend to read through some of your other posts.

    • Jacqueline
      February 1, 2012 | 1:51 am

      Well Olivia, I think things were different back then too. Pets (and kids for that matter) had to earn their way on a farm in those days. I totally baby my own cat and dog so it breaks my heart to think of it sometimes, but if cats are allowed to breed ad lib (like ours were) it doesn’t take long until you have 30 of them running around. Then winter comes along and do you let them all starve or do you let the strong survive? And no, I don’t know that shelters were common back then. In those days, people would drive out to the country and drop pets off – who would end up at farms like I grew up on. That wasn’t right either.
      It’s almost like the days when people had 10 kids and the parents knew a few of them wouldn’t make it to adulthood. VERY odd perspective for us to have today, but that was reality just 100 years or so ago. It’s a different time and place and different standards I guess.

  13. Desi
    July 21, 2012 | 2:22 am

    I’m pretty sure that isn’t being “super-frugal” or “minimalist”. It sounds more like stingy, cheap and abusive. I’m sorry you had to deal with that.

    • Jacqueline
      July 24, 2012 | 1:47 am

      I know Desi. Maybe my life goal is to erase some of that and be a more conscious human being and parent.

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